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Can't pick up notices/alerts

I just got a notice a little bit ago, plus 2 alerts a while back. When I try to get there to look at them, no message comes up. Did I forget or miss something? Easttxtv (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

No, it's just Echo is broken right now. TVCL-- when you get a chance, can you try redownloading Echo? maybe a file got corrupted? Branch (talk) 21:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Branch:, I've uploaded the newest version of Echo on to the server. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:57, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
It's still broken. My guess is a corrupted file somewhere but I don't know how to fix it. Branch (talk) 00:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
I tried running the maintenance script, but that doesn't seem to have fixed it either. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
TVCL-- did you try the steps here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo ? Branch (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
@Branch: Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get a notification for some reason. Yes, I followed the steps at that page when I was reinstalling it. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki Update

1.31 is out. PHP and MariaDB can be updated too if the server will let you. Note once the update is done, Replace Text extension can be removed from the folder as it's now bundled with MediaWiki (but don't remove the code that loads it or tells it what users have permission). Thanks Branch (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Branch:. I forgot to reply here earlier that I've updated MediaWiki. I don't have an option to update MariaDB. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Site addition suggestion?

Have you all considered something like a section with hotel TV channel listings? I just thought of it after getting my temporary relocation. My apartment is getting renovated and they've got me in a hotel a few miles away. Upon looking at what they have for TV I thought of the site and whether something like this would be a good addition, or if it's too ambitious since OTA and cable still have a ways to go. There really isn't any kind of online source for something like hotel TV listings that I've heard of or run across before. Just seeing what you all think. Thanks. Easttxtv (talk) 05:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, @Easttxtv:. I'm not against the possible addition, though I think two major challenges you'd face are a) the sheer number of different hotels (around 50,000 in the U.S), and thus the sheer number of hotel TV systems (every hotel I've stayed in in the U.S. has had different channel numbering, except those using the DirecTV-provided setup) and b) keeping the lists up-to-date, as I assume you wouldn't be returning to all the hotels you intend to list on a regular schedule to see what's changed. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
I guess between staying in this hotel, and having almost 3 decades of hotel work experience, I was in some kind of bright-idea mode (so to speak). I think it would be a good resource somewhere, especially since the hotels themselves don't tell you all you're getting beforehand, and even here where I am temporarily, the list they provide doesn't line up with what's actually on the TV. But thanks T.C.L. for bringing me down to earth. Easttxtv (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
I am also not against the idea but do have the same concern about the volume at which you'd be working with. Do most hotels not use either DTV or the local cable co's lineup?
A few do, but several go their own way. The one I'm at now has a system that comes through Dish, but they cherry-pick and do their own best-of/some-of list from that. There's about 40 channels total they have here. I worked at another one before that did the TWC (pre- Charter/Spectrum) whole basic list. Another I've worked for had a DirecTV-based system, but like where I'm staying at now, they cherry-picked there. So, it varies. Yes, they get it in some way, but the lineup amount/arrangement can vary widely. Some properties carry LodgeNet (or other vendor) in-room movies, some don't want to mess with it, it's a PITA (back-office paperwork side) to say the least. Most places will carry at least 1 premium movie cable/sat channel. I guess I can see the concern. They are adding new hotels around my area at an almost-furious pace, kinda crazy to think about. Easttxtv (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
A few days ago, I got a sample page together, including the one hotel I have a list for. If anyone has an opinion, let me know. Here's the link. Easttxtv (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Suddenlink update

I am a good ways toward being done with TX, incredibly enough. Thankfully, many lineups have been overlapped across 2 or more cities, saving lots of time. Strange that there isn't at least a little more channel lineup consistency (outside of the local station portion of the list of course) among all the lists so far. I have decided to skip some cities, for now, as sources for them either don't exist online or the local station info can't be pinpointed accurately enough (some coastal markets, for example, show availability of local stations but are listed as stations in Wichita Falls, which is totally odd). I have left those cities unlinked/black for now until I (or whoever) can later find a lineup for them that comes off more accurate. The only other issue has been with some lineups out in the Big Country area (west of DFW, southwest of Wichita Falls, east of Lubbock) showing PBS listings but saying they're from a PBS station in Colorado. Most of that area is likely (and more logically) getting their PBS signal from either KERA in Dallas or KTTZ in Lubbock, but I just left the listing as "PBS" without being more specific about the station until that could be verified later. BTW, for the most part, I have been using TVPassport.com for a main source. If there are other/better sites online you all can think of, let me know. Still wondering if Altice will leave all the lineups/cities alone, or they will have some kind of consistency or agenda when they get going. Anyway, that's the latest on that for now. Easttxtv (talk) 09:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

OK, done with Suddenlink in TX. Other than those weird exceptions. Guess I can take a breath before I take on whatever's next. >whew!< Easttxtv (talk) 03:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

eir Vision

Added page eir Vision. It's in Ireland and is an IPTV. Please add it to the front page. Thank you. Note "eir" is the correct spelling of Eir/eir and is not a typo. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that listing, TattooedLeprechaun. I have added it to the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Sky UK & Sky Ireland,

Just wondering if it's possible to separate the Ireland Sky from the UK version. Officially they are two separate companies under the one parent company now. I think it's a little bit difficult to navigate to the Ireland channels from the current Sky page. Just a suggestion. I'd be willing to work on it if required. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

If you’re willing to separate them out, I see no issue with them being seperated. When it’s done I can add the new one to the main page. Branch (talk) 14:26, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@Branch: I've created List of Entertainment channels on Sky in Ireland, I was going to do the same design to the main Sky page with only the UK version in the Entertainment section only. I thought I should ask to see if it's OK. The HD/SD/+1 channels are all in one place and not mixed as it currently is. Let me know if it's ok to go ahead. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 16:06, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Personally I'd prefer to have the entire list on one page for simplicity and not separated by category, since headers can do that on a page. What do other admins think? Branch (talk) 00:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm happy for the Sky Ireland listing to be separate from the UK one, but I think I'd agree with Branch that the entirety of the Sky Ireland listings should be on one page, with headings used for the different categories. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I think the layout changes made by TattooedLeprechaun have made it a bit of a mess. Many of the tables are now a bit too wide so having to horizontal scroll. The +1 column also isn't a great idea because some channels (e.g. Dave) are free-to-air on the main SD channel but not +1. Aetnla (talk) 00:45, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't think a separate list for UK and Ireland for Sky makes any sense. It's one platform in the sense that it has one numbering system across all genres. There are some differences between the two countries (particularly in the entertainment genre) but in order to understand why changes are made in the UK numbering you need to see what is also happening in Ireland. Separating out also makes for a lot of unnecessary duplicate editing. I can just about see the sense in having additional separate lists for the entertainment genre but for other genres it makes no sense. As for the recent layout changes, I see pros and cons (Aetnla has identified one con). It also introduced some data errors which I hope I've now picked up. One benefit is the reduced length of the channel list.Disco (talk) 06:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
In relation to @Aetnla:'s comment regarding the size of the tables. I did ensure that the all the columns added up to 100%. Subsequent edits, not made by me caused errors in going beyond the 100% in the columns. In relation to the HD/SD/+1 channels where +1 channels are not in HD; the page was incredibly long with duplicate information such as the SD/HD/+1 all having a separate row. It was incredibly messy. There is no need for that duplication. No +1 channel is in HD, a note at the top could resolve this, if needed. I did my best to ensure redundancy wouldn't be an issue. In the article's talk page, it was mentioned that the page was too long, which I addressed. Now, someone can simply look up (e.g.) Channel 4 and see the HD, SD and +1 channels instead of having to look for them in different places within the article. also, I would like to point our that Dave ja vu (Dave +1) is free-to-view. I have two old Sky Digiboxes, with no card inserted (it defaults to the London region), and Dave ja vu is encryption clear. There may be an issue with your box/card/etc. If it is encrypted, a simple footnote could resolve this issue. (Note: Dave is not FTA in Ireland on Sky). TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

If the admins and general consequences wish to revert my edits, by all means, go ahead. The revision history is there. :) TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 13:35, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I made some adjustments to make the relative sizes of the columns more appropriate. I may in error have had problems adding up to 100 but that was my intent and they all add up to 100% now. I agree we don't need another column for +1 encryption - I am only aware of two channels (Dave and Yesterday?) where encryption differs between the +1 and the SD version - that could be explained in the notes field. I don't favour reversing TattooedLeprechaun's edits either as, while the current layout is not perfect, the previous layout wasn't either and there are some advantages in terms of reduced length and getting a quick view on which versions of a particular channel are available with the new approach. They must also have taken time to do. The main question I have is whether we really need the additional, separate list of channels covering entertainment channels in Ireland and entertainment channels in the UK. --Disco (talk) 13:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I have found a way of showing the different encryption between SD and +1 channels in the encryption box - see entries for Dave and Yesterday.--Disco (talk) 14:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Since I'm not from the UK and am unaware of the intricacies of how Sky UK/Ireland works, I think it'd be best to leave it to the UK list contributors' discretion. If the issues can't be resolved by casual discussion here, I'd suggest putting it to a vote for contributors to the Sky UK/Ireland page. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

As a US-based admin, I second the above. Branch (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate file deletion request

Hello, would you please delete File:Film Now.png? I didn't realize it was already present as File:FilmNow.png. The images are identical, save for the file size. Afelix (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

No problem. This has been done. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Great, thanks! Afelix (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

BBC World News HD on Frontier FiOS

Forwarding a request from an unconfirmed user account request by "M.E.O.": "Channel 607 for Frontier FIOS is BBC World News HD (in California, at least), but it's listed as HD only in your listings. I'd like to fix the omission." Tvchannellists (talk) 07:01, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

This channel lineup, as of May 2018 lists it as HD only. Being that this is the official frontier lineup, unless the user has another link, we will have to go by that. https://go.frontier.com/pdf/fios-channel-guide-ca.pdf Branch (talk) 19:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the follow-up, Branch. Looking at that PDF and at our channel list for Frontier FiOS in CA, it looks he actually meant to say "it's listed as SD only in your listings". Tvchannellists (talk) 23:26, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Fixed. Branch (talk) 20:38, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


I've added List of channels on Aertv. It's an online TV service in Ireland. Can an admin please add it to the main page. Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, TattooedLeprechaun. I've added this to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:16, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


Please could you add List of channels on Tele2 Nederland to the main page? It's a IPTV provider in the Netherlands. C0re1980 (C0re1980|talk) 09:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Is the full name of the provider Tele2 Nederland? If it's Tele2, and it only operates in Netherlands, it should just be Tele2 in the title. If it operates in multiple locations, it should be Tele2 (Netherlands). Let me know, I'll fix if needed, and then add it to main. Thanks for everything. Branch (talk) 21:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Tele2 operates in several European countries. Tele2 (Netherlands) is the correct title. Thank you. C0re1980 (C0re1980|talk) 07:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@C0re1980: This has now been renamed and added to the front page. Thanks for contributing the list. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)