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Bot account

I'd like to be able to have an alternative account that would be flagged as a bot so that whenever I am doing mass minor changes, it doesn't clog up everyone's recent page changes feed. Hope I'm not asking too much. Mynameisjeff (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Let me know when you've made the account (and the user name) and I'll see what I can do. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Set up. Mynameisjeff ebooks (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. The other admins should have bot accounts too honestly. Mynameisjeff (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Happy to set it up if they want one. Just let me know here. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
What exactly does having a bot acct do? Why not just have one central admin bot that all the admins use? Branch (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Usually, they're used for actual bots who do maintenance, etc. The reason Mynameisjeff wanted one is for when he makes many minor changes (e.g. his recent updating of several pages to reflect a change in the link to a file), changes made by a 'bot' account don't show up in the recent changes page and thus avoids filling the recent changes page up with inconsequential minor changes. I'm happy to just have one bot account for all admins if we get 3/5; I'll e-mail the password out for the shared account. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
I support (2/5) a "TVCL Bot" account-- that would also allow people to know it's a "legit" bot compared to "Mynameisjeff ebooks" (no offense, :) ). I think also having a central bot allows for less duplicates and confusion with accounts. Branch (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Sure, so we just need Mynameisjeff to come back and agree for it to pass. The other two admins are MIA at the moment. I've also been merging all the trolls' accounts to clean up the user list. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
That makes sense. Should L.I.M. be listed as part-time now? Also, is there a way to change what the email notifications look like? It's 3 paragraphs of junk about subscribing/unsubscribing and none about the actual message left. If Myname agrees, we can just delete the ebooks account and replace it with the general bot. Branch (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry but I don't think that's really a good idea. If you look at various wikias and wikipedia, they also have separate bot accounts. Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:48, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Regarding LongIslandMedia, I'm not sure. He seemed quite active on the site until 10 February, but I haven't heard from him since. As for the e-mail notification, I found this page. The referenced page doesn't seem to exist in the wiki though. Maybe you need to copy and paste it from the example and then make the modifications. If that doesn't work, I'll put whatever changes you make into the php file it mentions. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I have been sick the last few days so I have only been lurking and there was nothing for me to update. Branch beat me on Verizon adding NBC Universo HD, and out Player troll seems to have managed not to post any new accounts. Maybe the IP range bans have finally blocked his ability to create new accounts, but we shall see on that. --Longislandmedia (talk) 03:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, Longislandmedia. I'll leave you listed as a full-time admin. I hope you're feeling better. Regarding the IP range bans, hopefully, the e-mail verification requirement should put a dent in the duplicate account registrations as well. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:43, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Get well soon! Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:51, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Alright-- if we have more than one bot account, can we at least have "official" names. Instead of Ebooks, could yours be something like "MyNameisJeff - Bot" or something? Branch (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I lost my password to that account anyways, so mynameisjeff_bot can be created and merged with the ebooks one. -Mynameisjeff (talk) 15:04, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Let me know when you've made the 'mynameisjeff_bot' account and I'll merge it with the old account. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Automatic Unused Accounts Purge

To keep the user list tidy, I've now set the server to automatically purge accounts where an account has been created and has not been touched for 30 days from the date of creation. This automatic purge does not affect users that have made any contributions to the site (e.g. edits, uploads, new pages, etc.) Tvchannellists (talk) 08:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what exactly do we gain from doing this? Also, on another note, have you ever considered to implement something like memcached to the site? Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
This only affects accounts that are created and never used even once. If you make even one contribution, this automatic script doesn't affect you. I assume some of these would potentially be spam accounts and not legitimate users. The purpose of this is to keep the user list manageable. If you look at the user ID number, you'll see that we are into the thousands (it started sequentially from 1), whilst there are only about a dozen or so actual contributors. That provides an indication of how many unused/spam accounts I've had to delete over time. There seems to be a continuous stream every month of new accounts that are never used. I'll look into memcached. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Also, any chance of updating the PHP to 7.1.2 and moving to MariaDB? Also, what's the Nginx version? Mynameisjeff (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
PHP 7.0 is the highest option currently available in the site's cPanel control panel. I don't see an option to change what SQL server the site uses either. I'm not sure how to check the Nginx version. Regarding memcached, it seems like it's more hassle than it's worth. This page seems to suggest that it often crashes and needs restarting (something I already have to do with the Parsoid server for the VisualEditor) and Mediawiki's page on it says "Memcached is likely more trouble than a small site will need". It also states "Memcached has no security or authentication. Please ensure that your server is appropriately firewalled" and I don't have access to firewall settings on the server. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it's just to have a better sense of how many active users, and so the user list isn't clogged up with unused accounts. An automated purge system/official policy on unused accounts (that were used in the first 30 days but then abandoned) would be good. Branch (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I've been doing this manually (for accounts that have been used at least once) as some users disappear for months at a time and it's just a judgement call based on how much they've contributed and how long they've been inactive. I'd be fine for a policy regarding purging completely unused accounts after 30 days. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposal for Official Inactive Account Deletion Policy:

Accounts will be deleted if any of the following are true:

  • Account was not used for 30 days since day of creation
  • Account that does not have a verified email address in 30 days from day of creation
  • Existing Users (Users created before Feb 28) have until April 1 to do so
  • Account has not made any contributions for 6 months

Having a good-standing account (no block/ban at time of deletion) deleted due to inactivity is not grounds for a new block for multiple accounts if a new account is made. Contact the admins if you'd like your old username back.

The email part is just to let older users have an extra few week/days to verify their emails, but starting April 1, I think all non-verified accounts should be deleted after 30 days. Does that look good to the other admins?

Branch (talk) 16:53, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Branch. The first two are ok with me. However, the purge script doesn't take into consideration whether you've logged in – only if you've contributed. So in that sense, if criterion 2 occurs, criterion 1 will always occur also, given you can't make any contributions without verifying your e-mail. Regarding e-mail validation, there are many accounts that have several months of inactivity before the user returns, so I'm inclined to let e-mail verification slide for a bit longer. Similarly, for the 6-month inactivity deletion, when I went through all the accounts manually, there were accounts with more than 6 months of inactivity before the user returned, so I'm inclined to have that a bit longer also. Users also might be able to just re-create using their old username without admin intervention; I'm not sure if MediaWiki blocks re-creation of an account name that's been deleted previously. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Just to note, seeing as a couple of users already started socking: If you're a banned member and your account was merged, you are not allowed to create the account with the same username (or any account again for that matter). If you are not a blocked user, you can create another account (with or without the same name) without any issues. Mynameisjeff (talk) 15:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
IMO The auto purge is unneeded in its own and only harms the community. Sure, there are unused accounts (and possibly spam accounts like all the recent accounts from the middle east and africa), but by merging them all into "Merged Users" is just creating a giant pile of mess as it's still a good idea to know who made the contribution (like what has been done to a large number of accounts recently), also not to mention that merging accounts (like what happened to SupermarioPlayer's account) with a blocked account will in cases unblock the account and we wouldn't get notified of that, and that's not something we want. Also, I know some people here who have made an account recently but don't have the chance to contribute yet due to a lack of time, and we don't want potential users to get affected by this, and there is always a chance (slim, but still a chance) that inactive users will make a contribution sooner or later. I get that it might keep the userlist tidy but I think it's just a false sense, it creates even more of a mess, especially when we purge accounts that for example were active sometime and then dropped off the radar, not to mention the unblock problem. I do agree to purge new accounts that haven't verified their email in 30 days though. Mynameisjeff (talk) 04:54, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
How about this less stringent proposal?
Deletion for:
* Any account that does not verify e-mail within 30 days of creation
* Any account with a verified e-mail address, but no contributions for 6 months since creation
* Any account that's ever made any contribution won't be deleted/merged
* Any account that's been blocked won't be deleted/merged to prevent the blocked user from making a new account under the same user name
Fine by me! Mynameisjeff (talk) 05:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Works for me, too. --Longislandmedia (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
How about the same as the above but you have a year with no contributions you're deleted. if you're gone for a year it's clear you don't really care about the site and it's not that hard to make a new account if you want to come back. Branch (talk) 02:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it would still be a good idea to see who made the contribution instead of it saying "Merged users", though, that's my primary problem. Mynameisjeff (talk) 06:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Security issue

https://blog.cloudflare.com/incident-report-on-memory-leak-caused-by-cloudflare-parser-bug/ Change your passwords ASAP. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

It should be ok. Extract of e-mail received from CloudFlare: "In our review of these third party caches, we discovered data that had been exposed from approximately 150 of Cloudflare's customers across our Free, Pro, Business, and Enterprise plans. We have reached out to these customers directly to provide them with a copy of the data that was exposed, help them understand its impact, and help them mitigate that impact. Fortunately, your domain is not one of the domains where we have discovered exposed data in any third party caches." Tvchannellists (talk) 00:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)