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Please check it. Thanks. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 08:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Thanks - your message was in the spam folder so I didn't see it. I will action the things you mentioned. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, but something went wrong during the Echo update. this is what happens when you go to Special:Notifications. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
This also happened when I submitted my edit, again related to Echo. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Add MobileFrontend to the list as this happens when you enter mobile view. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Thanks. It should be back up now. I need to update to MediaWiki 1.34 but there's some server issues which I'm checking with the hosting company about at the moment. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Special:Notifications only loads for a second now, this time without any errors though. The console spits this out:
load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery&skin=vector&version=0w5wrgy:7 Uncaught TypeError: mw.echo.Controller is not a constructor
    at HTMLDocument.<anonymous> (<anonymous>:67:594)
    at mightThrow (load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery&skin=vector&version=0w5wrgy:7)
    at process (load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery&skin=vector&version=0w5wrgy:7)

--Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I've reverted Echo now as well. I'll update the plug-ins fully once I'm able to get Mediawiki updated to 1.34. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
How are you installing these plugins? The current version of Echo for MW 1.33 is 952d89e, meanwhile on here it's a57ac75, which is the latest one for MW 1.31.
Similar thing is with MobileFrontend—the MW 1.34 version (6a8ef84) was added instead of MW 1.33 (312e8ed) --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Edit: Seems like you're using mediawiki.org download links instead of git. If you know your way around git I'd highly recommend installing/updating extensions that way. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, I still get the same thing with Echo. Not sure if it's caching or if it was that way all along because I've never used it before. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: The web hosting company has resolved the server issues now, so I'll probably update the site to MediaWiki 1.34 soon (outside of peak website traffic hours). Tvchannellists (talk) 05:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Cool. Once you get MW 1.34 running, you should update a couple of things.
MinervaNeue - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/skins/MinervaNeue-REL1_34-ba11b7b.tar.gz
CheckUser - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/CheckUser-REL1_34-8f9478d.tar.gz
ConfirmAccount - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/ConfirmAccount-REL1_34-3ffa446.tar.gz
Echo - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/Echo-REL1_34-33e3eb2.tar.gz
LookupUser - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/LookupUser-REL1_34-51a3c6e.tar.gz
NewestPages - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/NewestPages-REL1_34-34467ae.tar.gz
UserMerge - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/UserMerge-REL1_34-3517022.tar.gz
MsUpload - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/MsUpload-REL1_34-f70d1c8.tar.gz
googleAnalytics - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/googleAnalytics-REL1_34-6441403.tar.gz
MobileFrontend - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/MobileFrontend-REL1_34-6a8ef84.tar.gz
PageNotice - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/PageNotice-REL1_34-212920d.tar.gz
Thanks. Also, what do you think about removing VisualEditor during the upgrade? It will be built-in starting 1.35 anyways and it seems unlikely it'll be used again. Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for that list. I'll update those plug-ins when Mediawiki is updated. I've disabled VisualEditor. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: Well, they fixed one error, but now there's another error. I tried updating to 1.34 but it brought the website down. I couldn't even use the backup as that would get stuck on 95% restored. Finally managed to get it back up by manually restoring it through a backup using SSH. So we'll be on 1.33 for a while yet. Apologies if anyone lost any edits during the reverting of the server to its earlier state. Tvchannellists (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I think part of the reason why the update fails is because the backup process times out given how many images and other files there are on the site. There's more than 100,000 files on the site with all the different sized versions of the images that have been uploaded. The SQL database for the site is also 1GB+ since Mediawiki keeps all previous revisions of pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


Per the above, if you aren't familiar with git, I managed to find direct links to updated versions for your MW version of the two plugins.

Also, sorry for bothering you with this. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. No problem at all. I've updated those two extensions to the latest version for MediaWiki 1.33. I tried using Git but it doesn't like that the folders for those extensions exist already, so I've just done it manually as I don't want to break the site again fiddling around with Git. Also, the Notifications page was working OK for me both before and now, so I'm not sure why it's not working for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. MobileFrontend and Echo are now working flawlessly without any errors.
the Notifications page was working OK for me both before and now Thanks for saying that. I cleaned my browser and now Echo works as intended. Probably a cookie issue or something --Milan Rađenović (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


Hello. What are your thoughts on removing LANGUAGES (Google Translate) from the sidebar? For a site like this Google Translate works horribly, prime reason being that it translates channel names literally, making it useless. Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. From memory, it came about because people were wanting to put channel lists in local languages of the various listings. Since we lack the admin resources to oversee the various language versions + the complexities in setting up a multilingual site, the Google Translate widget was implemented as a compromise. I don't really have any visibility as to whether it's utilised, although I suspect not. I'll leave this discussion here for a few days to see if any of other users/admins have any input. If not, then I'll remove it. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. Speaking of things in MediaWiki:Sidebar, what's SEARCH used for? Btw, please clear server cache. Thanks! Milan Rađenović (talk) 20:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: I'm not sure what 'Search' is for. It seems like it's been there from the start. I've taken it off and there doesn't seem to be any difference. I've taken off 'Translate' as well since no one else commented. The cache has also been cleared. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Edit: The Google Translate bar is still there, so I guess the code for it is somewhere else. I'll look into it when I have time. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing Issues

Hello TVCL editors. You may have had issues with editing on TVCL in the past few hours. This was due to the server's disk space being exhausted. This should be resolved now. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


Hello. I've been thinking a bit – could automatic deletion of accounts without edits be doing untold damage? Let's say that you request an account and plan on creating/updating lists later, maybe even months from your initial request and then you find out that you can no longer log in. This has happened to a user once and to me it seems like something that could happen sporadically, not too often but not too rare either. While you could make the argument that they can just create a new account, as a new user I'd be rather confused.

Of course, I also understand the arguments for this method as it could wipe out accounts of users that never really wanted to contribute in the first place, but I think it's something that could discourage certain people from editing and I think that's more important in the long run than to nuke dead accounts. Your thoughts? Cheers. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I think this was originally implemented before the manual approval process was brought in. Back then, there would be countless accounts created by people thinking the site is something it's not (e.g. being their pay TV provider, being the TV channels themselves, an IPTV service, etc.). Even now, with the notices on the sign-up page that that isn't what this site is, there are still many account requests for reasons like 'I want to watch TV', 'please send your IPTV channel lists', 'please add XX channel to XX pay TV provider', etc. However, since accounts are now manually approved, perhaps the inactivity purge period could be increased to six months or a year? It is currently set at 30 days. Or do you think the auto-purge should be completely removed? Let me know what you think. Note that once a user has made at least one edit, it will never be auto-purged. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm aware that it doesn't auto-purge with a single edit and counting, but still. I think it could be increased to 3 months or 6 if we want to be more conservative. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: This has been adjusted to 3 months now. If there are still people caught off-guard even with three months to make their first edit, we can adjust up again to six months. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sky Cinema Fun

Can you please remove the file [[File:Sky Cinema Fun 2020.png]], which I ended up uploading by accident? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 19:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Done. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


Hello, could you add the confirmaccount-notify permission for administrators in localsettings.php? Thanks.

$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['confirmaccount-notify'] = true; --Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This was turned off as other administrators had emailed me saying they were getting too many notifications and wanted it turned off. Any e-mail confirmed requests should show up as a notification when you're on the 'Recent Changes' page though. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
In that case, could you add my account email in localsettings.php with $wgConfirmAccountContact? This should work, hopefully. Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:11, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This has been added now. Let me know if it doesn't work. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I didn't get an e-mail about an account request nor did I get an e-mail about my test account request being on hold (this was done on two separate e-mail addresses; both separate providers). --Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. The extension only sends out the notifications if the e-mail addresses provided by the requesters are verified. Just to narrow down the potential issues, did you verify the email addresses? Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
As I said, the e-mail never arrived to the requester's email so there was no way of verifying. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. The first email address you used bounced with the error message: "No such local user here". The second one I didn't get a bounce for. Could it be in the spam folder? Tvchannellists (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
So it works, looks like mailbox.org was the problem. A bit dumb that an e-mail adress has to be confirmed in order for a notification though. Thanks! --Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


Should we allow regular users to move pages? I don't know what prompted this, but with manual account approvals this seems unnecessary and even creates more confusion. For example, a few days ago I had to merge edit histories of UPC Romania and Vodafone Romania pages because users just copied the content over to Vodafone Romania and blanked the former instead of moving it properly.

Thoughts? Regards, --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Most of the restrictions on the website stem from a period where there were vandalism and spam issues. Given the manual approval process now in place, I've adjusted the permissions to allow users to move pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Also on the topic of redirects (kinda), may I delete things like Investigation Discovery? Seems completely unnecessary to have those redirects when all you have to do is prefix wikipedia:. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. That's fine with me. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Need a second opinion regrading an account request

Special:ConfirmAccounts/authors?acrid=472 Not sure what to do with this one. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I'd just leave it as being on hold as you've already done. Putting it on hold sends them this email asking them to elaborate on their reasoning. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)